Artificial Intelligence: Real Talk

Eli Davis: Welcome to AI real talk.

I am Eli Davis.

I'm your host.

And I have here today, the illustrious, the phenomenal, the star powered quality educator, critical pedagogue, and just overall good person, Dr. Tom Cooper.

Tierra Catherine Lee.

Don't forget the Lee McMurtry, who happens to be, who happens to be my wife.

And I don't know if everybody noticed that I said I presented, you know, me as the host as Eli Davis, meaning my last name is Davis, but my wife's last name is McMurtry because she is not only an amazing person, she also is independent.

Thinker.

Hey, all right.

How you doing?

You know, for references, I'm gonna let you know that I call it T.

So how you doing?

How you doing T?

Teaira McMucurty: I'm good.

I didn't know we were going to bring up family matters on this show.

I'm just kidding.

But hi, and thank you for having me on your talk show, which, yes, I mean, yes, it's a podcast, but if you think about it, it's a, it's a show wherein we talk.

Eli Davis: That's okay.

Okay.

So you just kind of intellectualizing it right now to you because you just didn't have the right words

Teaira McMucurty: No, seriously, it's a, it's a it's a privilege to be here in this space talking about the things that we love.

Eli Davis: Yeah, you know, so one of the things that I wanted to do is to have tea on the podcast just you know Every morning we have our coffee Time and conversation and you know every morning for the last couple of months or something, you know We've been trying to schedule this you know, I mean, it's very interesting.

How do you schedule something that you do on a consistent

Teaira McMucurty: the regular.

Eli Davis: day?

Yeah.

So, but what I do want to do is for people who are listening.

I just wanted to go ahead and put T on on here because she's phenomenal.

And when I started getting into artificial intelligence, she was introduced by me.

Okay.

Teaira McMucurty: Mm hmm.

That's good.

Eli Davis: so.

Teaira McMucurty: That's good.

Mm hmm.

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Yeah.

So we started at the same time, you know, and one of the things that we well, first of all, let me just go ahead and let T spot out her introduction and her credentials herself.

Go ahead

Teaira McMucurty: Oh, well, I mean, credentials, okay but I had something to interject but I'll say my credentials first.

So, so I am a former high school English teacher.

Passion.

Love that.

That's the best favorite job in the world.

So and then I moved on to being a district administrator.

So I was a curriculum specialist.

And now I am an assistant professor.

At the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

And so what I do there is I teach pre service teachers who desire to be English teachers.

And I also am the program coordinator for for pedagogical studies.

And so just by all of that alone, and this is, that's the doc program.

So just by all that alone.

I can't wait to talk about how, whoa, I wish I had AI back in the day, particularly when I was a curriculum writer.

That would have been amazing.

But yeah, so I wanted to I forgot what I wanted to interject about.

It was something good, but it'll come back around.

Eli Davis: Okay, cool.

So, let's start how one of the fascinating things that I have with UT is see how you use artificial intelligence.

So how do you use it?

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, that's what I wanted to interject about.

So you say that, you know, we started at the same time.

Absolutely.

But I am serious, seriously have to give you credit.

I'm going to give you your artificial flowers now.

have the space because literally this is not something that you just do for fun.

Like this is just not a topic, you know?

This is something that you immerse yourself in, like, constantly.

Okay?

Constamente.

And so what happens when you're immersing yourself in it, I am immersion by product.

So I, so I'm almost like Or by proxy so I have to like, you know, I listen and so you're watching all the updates the youtubes that You know on the latest stuff you've even you know Signed up for what the what do you call it?

When you get first dibs at stuff and then like you're also like you have like subscriptions out the Yeah, so so I guess what i'm saying is i'm grateful that you that I get to be in a space where I get better by sometimes not even knowing or realizing it because it's like background noise for us in

Because of you, you know, and also I also miss like when I'm away from home for like, you know, a week.

I know I can tell when I'm not on my A. I game as much.

Okay.

I'm forcing it now, but okay.

So you said, how do I use it?

Like, what is the man?

That's a huge question.

Is that what?

Start and you could just interrupt me at any time.

But I mean, when I first started using it, I was like, Oh, I need help.

I need help with grading.

I need help with, you know, writing emails because I get 70, 000 emails a day, you

Eli Davis: Let me just interject this real quick.

Tear is just not using it for just you know, like small use cases.

What she's using it for is her intellectual and scholarly work, you know, so,

Teaira McMucurty: we're going to get into that.

But I mean, Davis, we're going to get into that.

Okay.

Eli Davis: Okay.

You was just bumping them gums and see

Teaira McMucurty: I was hoping I'm but I'm trying to talk about my journey and even possibly my trajectory if I can get there.

So,

Eli Davis: Okay.

Go ahead.

Teaira McMucurty: so I'm saying when I first, I'm like, wow, we can just spit out.

So of course, you know, when you first, you know, encounter this amazing piece of technology, you just think it's a Google on steroids.

You know what I mean?

However, now I don't feel that way.

I mean, it's not even in the same class as like a Google search, right?

This a different.

You know, I can't even call it a technology, a system that we're talking about.

Right.

And so, you know, so it was great for that.

Like, wow.

Like it can just, you know, respond to emails for me.

It could.

So, so what it did for me is it cleared up cognitive space.

So that I can do what I love, which is still, yes, curriculum writing, you know, but also working on my research projects and my scholarly endeavors, you know what I mean?

But as I got more, you know, acclimated to artificial intelligence by way of you, you know, I even find myself like in the car sometimes clicking on little AI videos stuff.

I always like wanna impress you, but I never that I fine sometimes.

You know, you might find me in the bed, like using it in private because I don't want to be embarrassed by, you know, my little elementary entries.

But anyway,

Eli Davis: Then what?

Hold on.

Hold on.

Was that like a joke that like an airplane that wasn't correct?

Like a paper airplane that wasn't made well and it just, it didn't fly.

Teaira McMucurty: think it would, I would address, I think it would just pay for good discourse had you not, you know, put

Eli Davis: All right.

All right.

Go ahead.

All right.

Go ahead.

Go

Teaira McMucurty: so So, so, so forgot where I was, but let me tell you where I am now.

So this thing has gone from my personal assistant, you know to don't laugh out there.

Okay.

You won't laugh.

You like it.

You can feel me on this, but don't laugh out there.

It's gone from my personal assistant to my thought partner.

My friend and confidant.

Eli Davis: Yeah,

Teaira McMucurty: silly, but I you know recently started using it for my current health endeavor journeys You know given me such solid Advice encouragement when I don't even ask for it So it helps me think about things that I have not you know But it is totally my thought partner and and

Eli Davis: know, you know, just interject real quick, like one of the things that I find and I know that you use it as well because we talked about it is the fact that like some of the psychological things that we have to go on with through our daily lives, you know, it helps us out with
that, particularly in something that I know that he is going through is, you know, like, you know, it helps us out with that, particularly in something that I know that he is going through is, you know, like, navigating you know, her grandmoms, a situation in which she's starting older.

She's starting to have some falls.

And now all of a sudden we need to know different understandings of Medicare.

We need to know.

The procedures of this, we need to understand the systems of this, you know, so, so not only on an intellectual or scholarly journey, you know, is artificial intelligence important to us in our household, you know, we also go ahead and ask when I have a issue with some cognitive dissonance or I'm feeling frustrated.

You know, I'll easily, you know, talk about, you know, I need you to be a psychotherapist,

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah.

Give it a

Eli Davis: you know, to know the procedures and approaches and let's have a conversation because I need to unfold or, you know, deconstruct some of the things that I'm feeling.

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, totally.

I mean, even like, I mean, and it, it, it, it will tell you its limitation.

Sometimes you have to push those boundaries.

Like when I ask for some heavy duty legal advice or something like that, it says I'm not a lawyer.

However I can, you know but sometimes you know it, you could push it a little further, like, okay,

Eli Davis: So, so, so which one do you use the most to you?

You I know you, you use,

Teaira McMucurty: I love me

Eli Davis: not monolithic, you know,

Just like black women, like you're not monolithic in your AI use.

Teaira McMucurty: yeah that's a different different day site black women, by the way so I am uncle Claude is like my best friend.

Okay.

However, sometimes Claude.

Like, sometimes, you know, I have to fill out, like, a quick greeting card, like, if I'm going in the house, or at, you know, somebody's birthday party or something, and then I have a quick greeting card that I gotta, you know and I'll ask Claude, like, hey, like, you know, give me something to eat.

little borderline raunchy to like say in my greeting card for my friend, you know, and it like, Oh, I'm sorry.

I choose not, I elect not to engage in such matters.

And I, I won't even let Claude, Uncle Claude finish.

I'll just go right to chat GPT and chat GPT has no problems giving me.

God, you hear me?

I mean, several options.

And you know, my GPTs know me by now.

They know that I don't just like one option.

I like like five options.

So I think I can choose.

Yeah.

Eli Davis: So, so lemme just, you know, just in case people are un unfamiliar with, like, how can the GPTs or the artificial intelligence GPTs molars most definitely is associated with open ai.

But how could the GPTs like, know you?

What is the function?

Teaira McMucurty: Okay.

Now, if I were to have to describe and I know life isn't about it shouldn't be about comparisons, but I have to compare you and I in this regard.

Because I am at a level four with this, but I believe you are at a level like 8.

5, solid 8.

5 approaching nine.

Eli Davis: I appreciate that.

Teaira McMucurty: okay.

But what you do is that you actually build out GPTs where all of the memory, I mean, we have a session later today.

In fact, I'm making Uncle Claude make me a very detailed minute by minute agenda.

For me and you on our personal, intellectual, professional tasks that we have to get done

Eli Davis: Are we doing it in the house?

Are we leaving the house?

Teaira McMucurty: No, this is all in house.

Anyway, we can talk about that offline,

Eli Davis: Okay.

All right.

All

Teaira McMucurty: I brought it up, because I know you.

Okay

Eli Davis: about me.

Teaira McMucurty: so give me a reminder of what I was talking about.

Darn.

I got it, boo.

I got it.

Here we go.

So, you actually customize them, build them out.

I mean, I so appre I am so indebted to you Eli, because I use my Customize Spanish learning GPT all the time so that I don't have to keep feeding it what I want it to do.

It already knows that I'm going to enter some things in Spanish sometimes, I'm going to enter some things in English sometimes.

So it's not gonna, you know, it's gonna know I need translation and I need explanation because you already set it up on that end.

So I appreciate that.

So I think that, I mean, it takes a little bit more on the front end to do.

So you have to really like, and then you can modify it.

Correct.

Yeah.

So I don't know why.

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Modified.

The modification is called an update.

Teaira McMucurty: Okay.

Update.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well update.

Like, Oh, you mean like update.

You mean like update the actual GPT, like going in and editing, like

Eli Davis: Yeah, you know, you know, one of the things that I

Teaira McMucurty: how is that than modify?

Eli Davis: so, so let's start getting some semantics, Tiara.

So one of the things, one of the things that I like to do now that I've learned.

So when my GPT is not functioning, like, you know, I progressed past my GPT instructions that I put in there originally.

Now, I will ask the current GPT to analyze itself and to update itself and then write a new GPT custom instruction functional

Teaira McMucurty: update.

Eli Davis: For it to now fit my needs.

So it, you know, I have it update itself to be honest.

Teaira McMucurty: Oh, okay.

Okay, that's great.

I would love to hear more about that, like what kinds of things you do with that.

But let me just finish my little three cents.

So, my So what I, what I do, and this isn't the best way, but it's, it's just kind of more comfortable, more easy, you know?

And so with quad, you know, I'll, I have like this long, long chat.

So it's, so it's been going since like October of this constant running chat.

And so what I do sometimes when I get, when it gets so long and it gives you that warning, like your, your chat is getting too long, you need to, do you want to continue this chat or do you want to start a new one?

Eli Davis: said, you need to quit it.

Teaira McMucurty: You need to quit it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so when I did not recover that okay.

So, so I'll just say one time though, I did do Okay.

Yes, this is getting ridiculously long, you know, but it's just so easy.

Like, okay, I got to give a tangible example here.

Cause it makes sense.

Okay.

So this might be a little TMI.

However I am on an alcohol free journey or sober curious journey.

And so December 25th will mark my 90 days.

And so this, my Uncle Claude has been like essential in helping me see you know, daily, weekly, monthly, you know, progress.

And so sometimes I can just enter, you know, take a quick snapshot of like, you know, a progress photo or something like of my new waistline or something.

And then it like, wow, Tiara, look at how you were.

back in, you know, such and such.

And it, and so I didn't even prompt it to do that, but because it has all this history, you know.

So one of the things that I, I, I do sometimes though, when it gets too long, because honestly, I have so many and they're just so hard to manage now.

I mean, I really have to do better.

So I am going to be sitting down with you soon, Dave, because this is really important.

But but sometimes what I'll do is I'll say, okay, take all of the, the, what I, what we've been talking about, you know, for the past so and so months, cause you have to tell it the day in order for it to know, like where it's at, you know?

You know, take all of this, give me a summary of all that we talked about so that I could feed it into the new chat.

And then they will already have me understood so that I don't have to keep saying like, started September 20, you know, seventh or whenever here's goal

Eli Davis: kind of update like an

Teaira McMucurty: update, but see, I'm doing it also manually with, which not cool or probably efficient or effective as you do,

But it works for me.

It works in my lifestyle.

Eli Davis: that's what's up.

Okay.

So, so, as a professor T, you know, one of the things that I am curious about, so, you know, I recently I started teaching intro to special education in my, at miles college, you know, I always, you know, I'm living in a dream, you know, because I always wanted to teach at an HBCU.

So now I get to do that as an adjunct.

Okay.

But one of the things that I see happening is that my students are using artificial intelligence, not in the most productive or effective or most authentic way.

And I don't, you know, I most definitely tell them to use artificial intelligence.

As a matter of fact, you know.

I think that I, in the in the middle of the year, I kind of did like a class on how to use artificial intelligence because, you know, I'm teaching juniors and seniors.

And so I you know, teaching them how to do it.

But I think that in the beginning of the semester, this time, I am going to start the course with a lesson on how to use artificial intelligence.

So go ahead and go ahead.

Teaira McMucurty: Go ahead.

What, hon?

Eli Davis: I don't know.

I thought you know,

Teaira McMucurty: I mean, I have several things to say, but I you had a question.

No.

Eli Davis: Bump them gums, then.

Teaira McMucurty: What I love is the fact that you said using artificial intelligence authentically, Eli.

And truth be told, I think you should probably do.

I mean, you should build out what you're talking about.

You should really build that out and make little learning modules for your students.

encounter different things and the series could be called something like adding authenticity to AI.

Because one of the things that I've learned is that students, you know, they're still in the phase because AI is still new enough, even though it's not new to you and I, you know, it's still new enough and this like new phenomenon, this wonder, if you will, you know what I'm saying, where Where, you know, students think that like they can sneak and use it.

And you know what I mean?

When, you know, you and I, for example, we have learned the, we have learned the language in a sense of AI, you know, honestly, we know, and I don't mean to like crank our, you know, AI egos here, but you know, we know like where something came from Claude sometimes where something came feel me?

So, so, so I guess what I'm saying is whenever I, so here's my main thing.

I tell students, I bust them out.

Let me just clear that up.

So when I say bust them out, I mean, I put everything on front street.

I'm very frank with them.

I know that AI is out there.

I use it myself.

my friend.

Okay.

It can be your friend too.

However, here's the key.

This is on my syllabus.

I say

AI to think with

For

Don't get me wrong because AI is going to pump out some stuff that you've never thought about, know what I'm saying?

So, so, so yes, it may like think for you and, but, but you have to learn the art of probing and the art of like making something exactly how you want it.

But in order to do that, you have to have an end goal in mind.

You have to know what you want.

so some folks, honestly, and when, when AI, you know, first start becoming so accessible you know, particularly chat GPT, I mean, students, I mean, because most, you know, undergrad, I mean, most of their assignments are due 1159 that whatever evening, you know what I'm saying?

So they'll, they'll at, you know, 1155.

I need a, I need a literary essay on the great Gatsby and how, you know, sexist it is, you know, whatever.

And the AI clearly would pump out something beautiful.

Eli Davis: Boom.

Teaira McMucurty: I mean, it's just what it is.

But it's not its full potential.

And if you add that potential Or if you add that potential with your potential, which I think you have based on your confidence level, because shout out to Yvette Jackson, Pedagogy of Confidence, if you don't have the confidence in the first place, you think everything that AI pump out is glitter and gold, okay, sometimes it can be trash, and that's another thing.

Going back, that's another way in which I use AI and Uncle Claude kind of interchangeably, you know, sometimes, you know, I'm like let me refine.

So it's all about refine, revision, you know, getting to exactly what you want to say.

Sometimes you don't know what you want to say.

Right.

And this is why, you know, and a lot of, I'm sorry if I'm jumping.

So stop me if I'm, cause I just had another thought and it kind of gets into, you know, like the ethics.

Eli Davis: Go ahead, jump.

Teaira McMucurty: Okay, because some, a lot of, a lot of, you know,

Eli Davis: Because we did want to talk about ethics, but so go

Teaira McMucurty: yeah, a lot of, you know, and don't get me wrong.

I'm a writer, okay?

writer.

And I'm not about because I have published, you know, published articles and stuff.

That's not what I'm about.

I'm talking about writing, not necessarily, not always, for a product.

You

Eli Davis: Right.

Oh yeah.

Teaira McMucurty: I'm writing to think.

I'm writing to work about.

I'm writing I don't know what I want to write

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, I that too.

You know, I like, like, just say if you're just sitting there and you wanna draw something or doodle something, or paint something, or like, if I want to grab the guitar or play something I write like that.

I get it.

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, you do.

You do that a lot.

Grabbing a guitar.

You don't necessarily have set out what you want to do with it.

You just want to play along.

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Bang,

Teaira McMucurty: mean?

And then, what comes out is something smooth and melodious and, well, can the guitar produce melody?

Okay, never mind.

Let's table that for another time.

But okay.

So anyway, so a lot of the, you know, your hardcore, and I don't want to call them hardcore, bless them.

They just don't really know how to use it, you know, until you.

You just give them a little dose, a little micro

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Yeah.

Teaira McMucurty: they're like, Ooh,

Eli Davis: Yep.

Yep.

Teaira McMucurty: But anyway, they'll say, Oh, but it's gonna, it's gonna ruin their ability to write.

It's gonna, you know, it takes away the art of writing.

It's a, that's our problem.

We don't know how to reimagine.

We know how to, you know, when I say we, I'm largely talking about.

Traditional, conventional folks who have been doing the same thing, you know, through without they have been doing the same thing despite the sociocultural changes and political changes to that's going on in the world,

Eli Davis: And,

Teaira McMucurty: so it's like,

Eli Davis: changes too.

Teaira McMucurty: yeah, so in spite of AI, you want to sign students five paragraph essays.

You know what I mean?

Like, there's nothing wrong with that, but why can't say, hey, I know you're going to use AI, but here's some ways you can do

Eli Davis: Yes.

Teaira McMucurty: Guess what that requires?

Eli Davis: Yeah.

It requires you to

Teaira McMucurty: educator.

Yeah.

To learn.

Did we, in our backgrounds, that we are like, holy, not holy as in holy night, but holy as in W H W.

Is that how you spell it?

Okay.

Anyway, we are

Eli Davis: Come on, Dr. McMurtry.

Teaira McMucurty: Let me get AI, let me get AI to tell me.

No, but so yeah, we're educators.

We've, so we've been in the K 12, you know, community college.

And now, you know, we're in four year institutions where, you know, we know enough, I think now about one.

What is required of an educator to be a, not just a good one.

I don't even, I don't even got a qualifier for it, but like, I don't know, an amazing one.

Right.

But, but, but so what that requires, but then we also know what, you know, teachers don't do.

Eli Davis: And that's learn.

Teaira McMucurty: No.

Eli Davis: that's to be you know, being 12 set setting for a very long time I find it you know, staggering you know,

Teaira McMucurty: No, we're saying some.

We're not saying, we're not saying all, you know, please that it is a

Eli Davis: Let me be controversy.

I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say

Teaira McMucurty: A nice chunk.

Eli Davis: A large majority of you.

Out there, you know, you might read a book when you go get a master's program because, you know, educators are some of the most degree holding people.

But once that program is over, you rely on the district to tell you what to And,

Teaira McMucurty: and the district are normal people.

No,

Eli Davis: district.

Yeah, if the

Teaira McMucurty: comprised of normal people.

Don't me wrong.

I was, I was in a district.

So I, know, and I felt, I felt that I was, you know, pretty darn good.

But what I'm saying is it could be one pretty darn good person, but that one person, like a curriculum specialist might not hold the power.

Eli Davis: Yeah, right, right, right.

Teaira McMucurty: Whatever they, you know, create and craft that goes up the chain and they deduce it to back to the basics.

You

Eli Davis: Also, so T what are some of your concerns when it comes to artificial intelligence?

What are you concerned about?

Because obviously you're not concerned about people losing the ability to write.

So if there is a concern, do you have any that you,

Teaira McMucurty: yeah, it, because it requires it requires.

More of instructors or professors to really get in there and, you know, learn.

But I honestly, my concern is that we're going to try to keep pretending as though AI is going to go away.

And when I say we, I'm talking about, you know, like higher ed, you know, administrators, like, and so we're going to, they're going to keep giving us little Little prohibition statements in our, to write in our syllabus that says, you know, stay away from AI as if we can really control what a human does, you know what I mean?

Eli Davis: Yeah, well, while everybody's using Grammarly to make sure that sentence is okay.

And Grammarly is just AI.

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, and Grammarly is AI.

I mean, there's so many other things.

Now you can like, by accident,

Eli Davis: Okay question here.

Do you cite?

AI?

Do you think that you need to cite Claude Chachibiti?

Teaira McMucurty: the way, no, because the way that I engage with it, I feel like by the end of our little three and a half sessions, that's me.

That's me.

Eli Davis: So, so, so, so yeah, let's touch on that real quick, T. I remember I had a student who was, you know, turning in artificial intelligence stuff and I just kept on telling him like the, you know, the conversation or the product, what you're doing is way too vague.

It's really not telling me anything.

It like, you know, I have biases that are such as such.

I'm like, okay, but what biases,

Teaira McMucurty: And it's so easy to just be like, give me an example of a

Eli Davis: Yeah, you know, so, you know, but once I gave him, you know, once I did the tutorial on how to use artificial intelligence, what he learned was that, and he put out some amazing product, one of the best papers of the course and what he did, what he said is that it took him longer To use artificial intelligence to use that to get that product, you know, that he wanted probably would have spent just doing his regular five page paper.

But he did also, you know, the assignment was five pages and he turned in 14 and I had to give him some reduction

Teaira McMucurty: I know that's right.

may meet criteria period, but

Eli Davis: And he was 30 and he was 32, late days late on turning in.

So

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah, I'm surprised you even, Ooh, you nice as an instructor.

No, I'm just playing.

But but no real talk.

Sometimes I can, sometimes that's why it's good to have a goal in mind because sometimes I could get so Wrapped up.

It can become an artificial rabbit hole.

You know

Eli Davis: Oh

Teaira McMucurty: Because you get so lost in it.

You forgot what you even you learning new stuff that

Eli Davis: Yeah, because you can just like you can focus in and zoom or zoom in on that aspect and you can zoom in on that

Teaira McMucurty: Oh, gosh,

Eli Davis: in on

Teaira McMucurty: yeah, and now that, you know chat GPT has the canvas now, you know, and you go in and like, edit on, like, within here so that it doesn't have to regenerate all the

Eli Davis: So, so, so, so what people are that may not know what canvas is.

So, section in.

Even on the free version, like all of these things, you can get free version.

And even on the free version of chat GPT, it would open up the ability to edit for a very long time.

You didn't have the ability to edit and you will have to cycle a whole text or multiple paragraphs, but within canvas, you can with an open AI, you can.

Call for canvas and it will open up and then you can do the edits.

You can even use Grammarly within, in, in it, and it can help you do the edits.

You know, I use that a lot.

Teaira McMucurty: hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah

Eli Davis: what's one you like?

What's so if you got to give like the definite You know, like, what's one you like the best?

What's one you like the best, Claw or OpenAI?

Hey, so why don't, so, so, also Google, Gemini 2 is out.

Have you done any, you been you have?

Okay see, that's something new.

I didn't even know that.

Okay, you wild and crazy.

Teaira McMucurty: So, so I, I'm sorry, I'm just so Uncle Claude, right?

But sometimes Claude will give me what I need.

I'll take it from Claude, I'll put it in ChatGPT, Canvas, and I'll say, don't change anything, just open it with Canvas.

now,

Eli Davis: So are you using paid versions for the two or are you

Teaira McMucurty: yes, because you pay for ChatGPT.

Oh,

Eli Davis: do.

Teaira McMucurty: it's still on your account, my bad.

Eli Davis: I'll

Teaira McMucurty: no, no.

So yeah, it's, I mean, at this point in my life, I couldn't, I have to do paid version now because I, I use it too much.

And it's not, not, not too much in the sense of, you know, that's a bad thing.

No, I use it because I'm saying it's, it's no lines here.

Eli Davis: So, so, so, you know, one of the things I was early on, I was listening to Bill Gates talk about what he thought artificial intelligence was and what he said is just intellect.

It's just intelligence.

He said we really need, we really need to take off the the idea of artificial and we just need to just go ahead and put the the conceptualization of intelligence and what I what What I now understand is that right now open AI has this pro version that's 200 a month.

That's a whole extra zero on that 20.

That's,

Teaira McMucurty: know.

might be like, they might be getting like Apple to the point where like, you gotta

Eli Davis: yeah, you know, and I think that is exactly their goal and their mission.

They want to, you know, what is the best way to sustain a company is to make sure that you have a product that everybody feel is if they need, you know, so, so, so what I do know and I and I think of it like this is like right now I remember back in the day, you When, you know, when I was in high school, long time ago, we ain't even gonna talk about that.

As a matter of fact, when I started thinking about high school, all of a sudden I, before the building, I started seeing dust.

So, you know, cause the thought is so old.

Alright, so,

Teaira McMucurty: wanted to give you a laugh, but I was like, no, I'm gonna let him kind of walk me through this one.

So, okay.

Hmm.

Eli Davis: on that thought, , that thought is gone.

Teaira McMucurty: Eli, I'm so sorry.

Oh, back when you were in high school.

Eli Davis: Yeah.

I guess it's so dusty.

I forgot.

Yeah, gone.

Go.

Teaira McMucurty: Cause I have, I have, I have something to ask you,

Eli Davis: Go ahead.

Teaira McMucurty: Now that we've been talking for a while now, now I'm, I'm interested in, in thinking about, you know, our listeners and who may come across this podcast, you know, there are some that's going to be like, you know, like.

Just like, yeah, I've used that.

I've done that.

I've done that.

And there's going to be some who are like, I don't even know how to get to a chat,

Eli Davis: Oh yeah.

Oh

Teaira McMucurty: what I mean?

So my, my, my question to you then if I'm if we have a listener who's like, Ooh, I want to try it, but I don't know like how to start.

It's just so big.

I don't know how to start.

What would be your advice?

Like the top three things you should do

Eli Davis: Oh, okay.

So first of all go and do like a Google search and see what kind of artificial intelligence are out there.

I would recommend going to and, oh, okay.

Now I remember the thought I was talking about name brand intelligence.

You know what I mean?

Because Bill Gates, yeah, Bill Gates was talking about intelligence.

Your Harari, your ball.

Who's a historian, he calls it, you know, we don't think need to think of it as artificial intelligence.

He calls it alien intelligence.

But what I do know, just like, oh, back in, when I was in high school, we used to have name brand jeans.

You know, I remember this kids used to be walking around, you know, I went to a historically, or a white school that was out in the suburbs and people had more money than I had.

So, you know, they used to walk around with your bold jeans on guests on Levi's you know, all of the top name brand jeans, you know, and you know, and how I think about artificial intelligence is basically name brand intelligence.

You know, you got Claude name brand, Gemini name brand, even Elon Musk, you know, his grok, you know, Gemini, you know, you have all of these name brand perplexity, all of these name brand intelligence.

So what I want to do, well, I would suggest is, you know, go towards the more name brand ish artificial intelligence, the free version and just start typing it out.

What I also would give this is

Teaira McMucurty: out with me, typing it

Eli Davis: Just like typing in and just engaging with it.

But what, this is um, this is, you know.

I'm getting ready to go ahead and give you like a three pointer, you know, while you still being able to make layups, you know, like you probably if you just starting off, you probably should be practicing just real close to the hoop and just making layups or something like that.

But as a three point shot, what I would suggest is for you to turn on your dictation your talk to text, because a lot of times, especially if you're trying to write or you're trying to brainstorm or think there is.

Some a level of obfuscation, a level of incontinuity that comes along with people who don't have the ability to type as fast as they can think, you know, but if you talk to text right into the interface, not only will it be able to catch your cadence, you can tell it to analyze you know, your style, analyze your cadence.

You can tell it to analyze your sentence structure and then you can say, this is how I would like to write.

You know, talking into text, especially because we're using language models, you know, and the most authentic language is probably the one that you use from, you know, just basically a conscious a straight conscious stream, you know, so that's a three point.

That's a three.

That's a three pointer right there.

If you start to do that, you'll most definitely see different results versus just trying to type in.

Teaira McMucurty: I think, I think for me, I love that.

I love all of that.

One, I am kicking myself every time you mentioned dictator.

Every time I hear you in your office doing the dictation, I'm like, tear, why don't you just do the dictation?

You know, because, but for me, cause for me, Oh gosh, my, my thoughts, just like you, they just flood, they just flood, you know what I mean?

I'm trying to like type.

But see, what I also love and probably, you know, take advantage of too, is the fact that you can misspell, you could put fragmented thoughts, you could, you know, so a lot of my entries, especially when I'm just freestyling, freestyling off the dome is, you know, very fragmented, misspelled words, all that stuff.

Right.

And so, so, but it pumps out what, what I needed to pump out.

So a couple of points on your point.

So I want to really, you know, drive home this point of.

You know, especially to listeners who are like, Oh my gosh, I just don't know where to start or how do I engage with it?

One of the things that I want to just touch on to what you said is alien intelligence name brands, I love all of that.

One of my excellent colleagues he's so into AI and he actually showed me the, the Gemini and he helped me write a grant.

So hopefully I'll get it.

Hopefully next time I'm on your show, if you'll have me, I'll be saying.

You know, I was able to write a grant, but that's, that was another way in which I got into the artificial rabbit hole because, oh my gosh, the way in which, you know, I could get so specific and clarify myself, I was at the point where I had like five different versions of excellent, you know things that I could, you know choose, but anyway, he calls it augmented intelligence.

Intelligence is a little bit fake about it.

Right?

Don't get me wrong.

It does Hallucinations from which it has gone it has where it is now than where it used to be.

It leaps and bounds, you know what I mean?

Like, it is hallucinations are very minimal, you know but so, yeah, so I would say, like, I think about it sometimes is like, you know in research projects, you have to think about does this research, is it is it harmful or there's always going to be risks associated with, you know, the, the research.

Yeah.

Or the, the project, whatever you're trying to implement, but do the risks outweigh the benefits?

And the answer is no, and it should be no, you know what I mean?

Because there are so so anyway, the hallucinations and the artificiality of this intelligence is it's the risks, you know, definitely out there, there are more benefits, right?

Anyway, so what I would, you know, suggest is one,

Eli Davis: T

Teaira McMucurty: I'm sorry,

Eli Davis: No, this is for new people.

Teaira McMucurty: Okay,

Get out of your mind that it's like a Google.

Okay.

Cause if you want to search for something, if you want to search for a store, if you want to search for something, use Google.

Okay.

This is not Google.

This is, this is, this is, this is like a bi directional information system.

Okay.

That can go beyond just simply.

Simply transactional type of entries.

Okay, so, so think of it as not necessarily there's another person on the end, you know, typing it out.

Even though when I'm using it as my you know, psychotherapist, I like to think of it as someone, you know, sitting in

Eli Davis: With the human body.

Teaira McMucurty: excuse me?

Eli Davis: Someone with the human body.

Teaira McMucurty: Like Sajna Guru, Mooji.

I'm really envisioning them on the other end.

Don't bother to, you know, think of it as like you insert something and it gives you a list of suggestions.

This is totally customizable to the point where you can get it to, you know and sometimes I have to tell me, I have to tell it.

Don't just give me the, don't just give me the good stuff.

What I want to hear.

Give me the hard stuff.

Give me what I don't want to hear.

Okay.

So I'll give you example.

So so what I would suggest is when folks are trying to experiment with it, don't have something do the in an hour or the night, like give yourself some space to just engage with it, risk free, you know pressure free, you know, I would start with the personal stuff.

I would start by dictating and giving it.

And hey, this is my first time using artificial intelligence, and I'm just curious as to like, what are the capabilities?

What are the limitations?

I mean, start engaging with it that way.

I love to use the voice feature.

Eli Davis: Yep.

This is the job that I do.

This is my,

Teaira McMucurty: And tell me, what are ways in which, yeah, what are some ways in which I can use it and literally, and you don't have to worry about like taking notes, you know, like, oh my gosh, let me write that down.

No, it's all going to be saved for you.

It's all going to be, you know what I mean?

And then I want to go back to real quick, citing Chad, don't get me wrong, like, or just citing artificial intelligence, please don't get me wrong.

Because Right now I'm at, I'm not at a place to be able to say, you know and maybe it will become acceptable to be like, you know, this was written in collaboration with artificial intelligence.

I'm just not, I'm just not really, there yet.

And for various reasons, I'm not able to articulate them right now, but I have no problem with like, if I'm sending a, If I'm in charge of note taking during like a meeting or something, I'm using, I'm using artificial intelligence, okay?

As a matter fact, I should have put it on here, where there's a, it's not on here, but I have it built in.

I forget

Eli Davis: Otter

Teaira McMucurty: Thank you, Otter.

Ooh, I got it as an app, so sometimes I'll click it.

When I'm meeting and then it just summarizes all that stuff now, of course they get you know artificial It gets the names mixed up and sometimes you really have to go through with the fine tooth and make sure it's you know Fine, I think that's a black idiom.

So let me explain that but fine tooth come like you really gotta You know,

Eli Davis: It's like, like

I was about to say a bad joke.

It's like when you're fine tuned cone when you're trying to get lice out.

Teaira McMucurty: oh, come on, you're

Eli Davis: I work at an elementary school.

Mmhmm,

Teaira McMucurty: in.

Okay.

So yeah, so that's how I would start with engaging with it You know what i'm saying?

Like like the the the two wrong things to wrong uses of it is using it as like a google because just get on google Because I do that too.

I get on google like sometimes everything ain't for chat, you know, I

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Teaira McMucurty: But then the other thing too, is don't don't just don't let it just pump out You know one of the best features in the world, my goodness, is to be able to upload attachments.

How

Eli Davis: Oh

Teaira McMucurty: that now?

For about a year?

Eli Davis: yeah for about a year.

Yeah, you can upload some attachments, you know, they got that new feature out with the projects to like, wait till I show you is, it's it's, yeah, because it's like the organization of all of your chats and what so I asked, you know, I told her to do a search and asked me, like, what is the best way in which you can you can do your chat and for a very long time I had, I was like, man, I wish that this chat knew all of my chats and

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah!

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Yes, you know, because I got many chats.

Well, you can do that now.

So,

Teaira McMucurty: But you know what, Eli?

Honestly, I've heard you say several features that you wish it could do, that it did in a matter of time, so that's why I would just love, I would love to see you on a design team, you know, but anyway,

Eli Davis: Yep.

Teaira McMucurty: so yeah, so I hope that

Eli Davis: mouth to God's ears and whoever's a God out there, you know, Hey, call me

Teaira McMucurty: I can take

Clearly.

It's taking artificial intelligence to sometimes I have it for, and this is personal too, but I have it right, like when we're in church, I'll have it right prayers for me so I could say them as we're, cause sometimes my thoughts get so jangled and organized.

One of the

Eli Davis: So you use A. I. as God?

Teaira McMucurty: But now we getting, now we crossing, we crossing.

Eli Davis: Too metaphorical.

Too metaphysical.

we go.

Too metaphysical in there.

Alright, but this is a real good time to go ahead and close it up.

First of all, I just want to say you know, thank you very much, T. I appreciate it.

And, you know, some of these podcasts, I'm just going to have to do solo dolo.

And, you know, hopefully that I won't have to necessarily do that, that you'll be my part.

Teaira McMucurty: Oh, sure.

But listen, but listen.

Eli Davis: One of the things that's really good is, first of all, I love talking to you.

And two, in this platform, it's kind of like a different talk.

You know what I mean?

All of a

Teaira McMucurty: Yeah.

Because you are very, you are very what do you call it?

You're not filtered, but you are definitely, you definitely won't just say your first thought.

Let's just say that.

Eli Davis: I said my second, third, fourth thought, so what?

Oh, that's so excuse me with the voices y'all that's that T and I have so many different voices,

Teaira McMucurty: Well, you

Eli Davis: to dating

Teaira McMucurty: speak for yourself, Eli, because I have not said one voice yet.

I know how to separate persons.

Okay, but time out, but listen, but for viewers, I hope that there was a way.

That they can engage, though, because there are a lot of things we just kind of threw out and didn't expand upon, or there's something that might be questionable.

Honestly, I say some questionable things, too, because just like AI, I'm evolving.

So I don't, you know, some things that I feel now, I don't, or that I felt about AI several months ago, I don't feel the same way.

So it just evolves.

I would love.

You know, to be able to address something,

Eli Davis: Yeah, so that's what so that's why you most definitely have to come back So if there are some people that want to go ahead and put some comments on there Want us to expand on some things, you know, tear Dr. tear McMurtry.

She is, you know, really big in the field.

You can look her up.

T. A. I

Teaira McMucurty: all the

Eli Davis: Yeah.

Dr. Tear McMurtry.

She's an easy Google search and you can see what she's done.

You know, the articles she's on Google Scholarly.

So you can check her out there.

Um, but what we can do is if you have any questions or comments or you want us to elaborate on something because T is going to be here, you know, what I want you to do is just put some comments in the comment section and we are going to close this on out.

I just want to say thank you to your McMurtry T for being on the podcast and, you know, thank you everybody out there listening.

I appreciate you.

And we get ready to close out.

Thank you for tuning in to.

AI with Eli artificial intelligence, real talk.

right.

Peace.