Mindset Shifts Needed for this New World

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Jethro Jones: Welcome to
a vision for learning.

I am Jethro Jones, your host, and I am.

Very excited about this podcast.

Yes, we're going to talk a lot about.

The apple vision pro and AI.

This podcast is really
going to delve into.

All different aspects of.

The future of what learning looks like.

Now I am trying to be careful to not
just say the future of education.

But the future of learning.

Because there is a lot.

About the education system that is
just not working for a lot of people.

And if you've been listening to
Transformative Principal, my other

podcast for any amount of time, you
know, That I have strong feelings about

our education system and how it leaves
a lot to be desired for a lot of people.

I'm not going to go into
that a ton here right now.

But I do want to talk about a
couple of things as it relates

to the apple vision pro.

I will be getting mine on February 2nd.

That night you can expect.

A podcast for me about that.

I will.

Probably do a video with it as
well, so that you can get a view.

Of the apple vision pro.

There's a lot of other people out
there who are doing this stuff,

but this is really specifically
focused on the learning environment.

So one of the concerns
that I've heard about AI.

And about the vision pro.

People are concerned about losing the
personal connection with students.

Today I did an interview on Transformative
Principal and we talked with Erin Bailey.

From reading is fundamental and she
brought up the issue that computers

can't do, what humans can do.

Now to be honest, that remains to be seen.

But I do want to stress that if
we lose the personal connection,

we're going to be in trouble.

Because if we don't have that
personal connection, And we're not

able to continue having that personal
connection with our students.

That's going to create problems.


Because we, as human beings
are connecting beings.

And I think this is so
important for us to think about.

So in the show notes for this
episode, there are two videos that

I would like you to check out.

That I think are pretty cool.

Both are from ex one of them
is showing the jig space app.

On the apple vision pro and what
that app does basically is.

It allows you to look
at manipulate and see.

3d items in your space
right in front of you.

You can resize them.

You can move them around.

You can look inside, break them apart.

It's really amazing.

For people who don't have.

Very good spatial awareness or see,
can see how big things really are.

Putting something at one-to-one
scale could be a really powerful way.

to help people really understand.

How things work.

At a different level.

So that is one really
neat looking way, too.

I learn about space.

Learn about how things work.

I can see a lot of really cool potential.

One of the other things that I is in
the show notes that I encourage you to

check out is an interview I did with Matt
show say on Transformative Principal.

Matt Shaw.

Matt Shuster with Matt shall say
on Transformative Principal, he

runs a company called be more
colorful than make a product called.

Career view XR.

And what career view XR does is it
gives students an opportunity to go.

Basically do a day in the life.

Of a worker in some.

Career that they might be interested in.

Now they've already created all
this content and you don't have to

have a apple vision pro to use it
because they're already doing it.

And they've been getting some
good recognition for that work.

But in this interview, we talk about
what that looks like and how powerful

it can be for someone to really.

Experience what it's like to go
do that job when there may not be

anybody physically close to them.

Who could really show them how to do it.

So these.

Augmented reality.

Experiences or virtual reality
experiences can be very powerful for them.

And finally the third thing.

That I hope you'll check out.

Is X user.

At johnnymotion . Talks about.

Doing a spatial F1.

Broadcast app as the killer
app for the vision pro.

And his whole video's called
it's only two and a half minutes.

Definitely worth looking.

But he says something in there
that I think is so powerful.

He says it's about the
mindset needed for these apps.

Here he is in his own words:

John LePore: A lot of my clients
are asking what would make a

killer app for Apple Vision Pro.

Our quick pitch is a spatial F1
broadcast, an idea which actually earned

a trophy from Louis Hamilton himself.

But most importantly, I think it's a
great example of the mindset required

for any of these emerging technologies.

I spent my career blending visual
effects and user experience to create

real end fictional technologies,
and I'm also a giant F1 freak.

I love that.

Formula One is this
tech-centric competition.

I believe it should be the benchmark for
the way we combine sports and technology.

The Apple Vision Pro allows for all
kinds of new experiences, but so far

most of the things I've seen emphasize
content in Windows, and I wanna see

something that goes beyond that.


Uh, I wanna put Windows and data
everywhere, but you can kind of already

do this with the awesome multi-viewer app.

But what if I really took advantage
of both my physical viewing space and

the geography of the event itself?

There's something so appealing about
an architectural model, but alive

and in perfect sync with a reality
unfolding thousands of miles away.

Jethro Jones: Here's the other thing.

The thing that I really liked about
what John said was that it's about

the mindset needed for these apps.

That you really have to think outside
of the box that we already have.

Think outside of what we're already doing.

To find ways to adapt to a new
platform or a new way of doing things.

And this is key.

So many of us struggle with this idea of
thinking outside of the box that we're in.

We don't know how it's possible.

To do some of these things.

Another example, I was doing
another interview today.

And w I was talking with the.

Tiffany quite yet, the.

Assistant director of the
Connecticut association of schools.

And she was talking about how
there's a new law in Connecticut.

That requires play-based learning
to happen in pre-K and kindergarten

and allows it to happen in
first through fifth grade.

And one of the things
we talked about is that.

Teachers may have wanted this
for years may have thought this

was exactly what they needed.

But then when the time comes
to actually do it, They don't

necessarily know how to start.

Play-based learning.

In their classrooms, even though
they may have believed that it

was worthwhile for a long time.

And so we have to change how
we're thinking about things.

When I first went to town on
middle school to be a principal.

The goal for the district was to become
a personalized learning district.

And as we started going down that path.

We saw that many of the systems and
processes that we had in our school

system already needed to change.

To adapt to that kind of
different environment.

It's not easy to make those kinds
of changes, but we've got to

be able to think outside of the
box of what we're already doing.

One last thing I'll say, and I
got this from a conversation with

someone in a text right today,
and he echoed a sentiment that.

I've heard a lot that.

And tell we have everybody
have one of these.

In my classroom.

I can't do anything with it.


When the iPad came out, I saw that.

But I got an iPad right away,
started using it, started seeing

how I could use it in schools.

And there are a lot of things
that you could still do.

Even before the multi-user thing was
available and the multi-user thing

on an iPad, it's really not great.

But there are still ways
that you can use these tools.

Even without there being an
individual one for every student.

This person I was texting with Aaron,
he said, I think this was really good.

What practical thing can I
implement in my classroom tomorrow?

And that's the approach that I think we
need to take with all of these things.

And right now.

The answer is nothing.

The device isn't even out yet.

Could it be useful, maybe who
knows, but what can you do

in your classroom tomorrow?

That is actually practical.

That's one of the mindset shifts
that we need to start making.

So I look forward to
hearing your comments.

I got some interviews lined up already.

Some people we're going
to talk with about.

This new world that we're living in
and I'm excited for you to be here.

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Appreciate you being here
and we'll see you next time.

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Mindset Shifts Needed for this New World